and michael steele. . at the very least it's massively embarrassing but how strong is this case? i'm sure we'll get what about hillary, what about the clinton foundation. that's neither here nor there. what about the trump foundation. how legit is this? >> it's legit in the sense that this case, as you say, is embarrassing becau embarrassing donald trump talks about being rich, he acts like he's break. that's nan would have gone ton veterans and other beneficiaries but instead is, under this allegation, a type of self-dealing. that looks bad. ultimately the courts will decide whether there are campaign violations here. >> account president say i just won't settle, i'm not going to pay the money? >> well, he said he wouldn't settle in one of the big cases brought by this office, previously trump university, which was famously a business that offered business advice