complete list or the complete, verifiable, irreversible, dismantlement, which is what the president said was the goal. still, we should hold judgment. the fact that we're at least moving in this direction is a lot better than the threat by threats process we had just a few months ago, with kim doing missile and nuclear tests, and trump threatening nuclear war. >> from that perspective, what would be a success for mike pompeo on this trip? it seems he personally is on the hook with his personal relationship as a cia director with kim jong-un, and as the secretary of state. what will it take for there to be confidence in the return trip from mike pompeo with something substantial? >> yeah, it'd be good if he came back with some of the remains of the u.s. servicemen and women lost in the korean war. that would be a sign of good faith. more important would be at least this initial list of inventory and of sites, plus an agreement from north korea to agree to