questions. we've been driven further away from the idea of answering any questions from them. we don't think they have a legitimate investigation. >> joining us now, chuck rose yepberg, former cia official. thank you both for being here tonight. so you have both banned the word collusion from any broadcast on which we all appear together. talk about how the real sort of pot at the end of the rage bow for an investigation is a conspiracy. >> i guess collusion irks me. >> you're not easily irked. >> it means agreeing with somebody else to do something. that's what a conspiracy is. the fact collusion doesn't