of things going on here. one, maybe, katelyn, the president really does believe what he says, which is that even if he drafted a statement aboard air force one, even if what some people see is intimidating potential witnesses is really just that self-preservation that he hasn't, in all the different thickings that christine just laid out and probably some more, that he hasn't done anything wrong. he also seems to believe because don mcgahn has told him apparently many times, i am not your lawyer. i am the lawyer for the office of the presidency. maybe with him and i wonder if with dowd even, there is a fundmental misunderstanding of what somebody in mcgahn's position would do under those circumstances. >> we've seen the way in which the president talks about most officials in government as his. my attorney general, my this, my that. i think it's really posh to draw the distinction between someone