all of these things were done at the direct -- direction of trump. >> let's narrow into what the issue actually is here. michael cohen is to many people an unsavory character and not particularly relevant if he did things with his taxi medallions. the question is what the liability is for the president of the united states. lanny davis, michael cohen's newest attorney, has just tweeted. today he stood up and testified under oath donald trump directed him to commit a crime by making payments to two women for the principal purpose of influencing an election. if those payments were a crime for michael cohen, why wouldn't they be a crime for donald trump? clint? >> there has been a tell in this from the very beginning. the squads that showed up to do the -- this is not a fraud case they were investigating. we've got actions of the president to be. we've heard tapes. we've heard tapes that even say, let's do it in cash. essentially saying, i knew what