local town, upheld it in a legislative meeting as well. so the religious tradition reflected in the first amendment is a foundational part of american liberty and it's important for us as judges to recognize that and not -- and recognize, too, that as with speech, unpopular religions are protected. our job -- under the religion us freedom restoration act question the insert of religious belief, meaning is someone lying or not about it. we can't question the reasonableness of it. the supreme court has cases with all sorts of religious beliefs protected. justice brennan really the architect of that. so religious liberty is critical to the first amendment and the american constitution. >> how would you describe the interaction between the free exercise clause and the establishment clause? and are they at cross purposes and intention or are they