nixon, they did have people. >> they had to contain him. but isn't it perfectly plausible for example that in advance of a meeting on a given subject in the oval office with the president, if it involves foreign policy, isn't it plausible that the secretary of defense and the secretary of state and maybe the director of central intelligence might have a huddle, a phone call might come to some sort of common position and might agree not to present other potential positions. >> does it bother you that a bunch of guys meet in the bathroom, they get together and they go what do you make of that? does that bother you? >> it is one thing if they have the meeting before and say we ought to figure out a way to circumvent this policy. it is another if the president says do this and then go to the bathroom and say we are not