our worst day our nation's ever saw. >> jon, you were active in getting members of the rescue and recovery community who passed away recognized at the memorial site downtown just speaking to remembrance more bradly. this might not be fun in line for those who think about those who lost their lives in 9/11. >> there are still people dying from the attack of 9/11. you can't -- those that die, the marshal that died today died from the attack on the world trade center on 9/11 in 2001 inspect so i think it's for the people involved it's a continuum. it's not a remembrance. it's we're still suffering from the effects of it. and they're suffering the effects of it because of their heroism and because of their actions in going down and stabilizing not just the city, but in many ways the country. so i think that's the difficulty