mr. torcian, a person i used to work with when i was in the government. nobody knows where he is today by the way. back then he was in the putin circles, this idea of a back channel and influence and contacts is something i've seen when another russian delegation had the same mandate. >> according to descriptions in court filings. butina worked with alexander torcian, and that was to use their nra contacts to gain access to republic candidates. what is his importance to exert influence. >> i think the excellent thing is the way the relationship worked. she represents this new illegal,
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