wasn't just corrupt. once i'm feeding at the trough, i can drink from it as well. people understand corruption comes with the gig. >> i've had some experience working in an enterprise that started with someone who had a dubious -- i don't want to say much more because i don't want to get in any litigation. but my, my observing that situation is that a con man will surround himself with people who are like minded so they never question that person. so they all have their -- it's almost like a feudal system where everybody sort of gives a wink and a nod. >> right. >> you take yours. just kick some back up. it's not terribly dissimilar from the way that we perceive the mafia. >> yeah. >> or, you know, in my first book i reported a lot on the financial crisis. one of the things that happens there is this moral devolution.