investigations that aren't, perhaps, as sexy or dramatic as the mueller probe? >> i mean, i do think so, yeah. the problems are not as dramatic or sexy. you mentioned david farenthold. he did remarkable work, it's on the foundation, brought all that stuff. the problem is it's just not as interesting as -- >> we had him here. we did it here. we love his reporting. do you think, joyce vance, that we take our eye off of all of these sort of multiprong, multifaceted maybe civil lawsuits or investigations into the businesses, people that we don't hear about all the time, at our own peril, do you think these could be some of the shoes waiting to drop? >> there's no doubt that that's the case. i don't know, though, how you can keep your eye on the ball on a daily basis on what is it now, are we up to 19 investigations with the secretary of the interior zinke resigning with news that he's under criminal investigation inside the department of justice. so god bless people who can keep all of those balls in the air and be familiar with all of the details. i guess for the rest of us, we just have to spend a lot of time