so the president's lawyer went from saying basically nobody was murdered but if somebody was murdered my client didn't do it. a big difference. to now saying forget all of that, nobody was murdered. no collusion. malcolm nance has spent 30 years working in counterintelligence and an author and he knows a lot about this case. both on the national security and the legal rangling and the tv lawyering. what do you think of the giuliani? >> it is not as good as the dougie. >> no. >> but i think it is closer to the macarrena. if anybody knows the original macarrena song as it was sung in spain where i lived, it was two old guys singing this song about a young woman and who was being thoroughly ignored by the young woman. so this is rudy giuliani. he's an old guy, comes on television and he just spouts off what he wants to say.