defends the president, but not some of the people closest to him. he saves a lot of his criticism for jared kushner, the president's son-in-law who he has a bit of a history with. i asked him why it seems he went kind of easy on the president. >> if you read the book, what i say in there is the president is ultimately accountable for all this stuff. you know, garbage in, garbage out sometimes. the things you present to the president as choices, if you don't give him the best choices -- this is why the kicking out of all the transition materials, forget about my firing. we had 140 people working on the transition from may to november. those people are experts in all kinds of areas of government and public policy. and their work should have been considered by the president and should have been presented to him. he was never given that opportunity. because folks like rick dearborn and josh -- or jared kushner and steve bannon made the decision that they were going to be in charge and they were going to