yes, the hearings are a step in the right direction. yes, there is a place for regulation. people need to elect leaders that need to stand up and put the right constraints in place, but we have to seek out and support companies that are offering disruptive technology that are providing the transparency necessary for the free market to help this problem, as well. >> okay, disruptive technology is optimistic, it's exciting, but we also know that the lobbying dollars that come from big dwarf pretty much everything else, by a long shot. if we want to be realistic. to sit up there and go, well, these drug companies, they're not popularity. popularity doesn't matter. i don't like the companies that sell the drugs that my family needs, but i go and i buy them if we need them. so what will actually make a difference besides new businesses and disruption? because, honestly, that's small poet potatoes. >> so i spent five years working in health care and i think most people who have even touched this industry understand it's an unsustainable model, that we've