until really he got in to the whole birther thing. i think that's when people started -- you know, beyond the five boroughs started paying attention to donald trump. black people started to pay attention to him. not in a good way. because he was telling, you know, these ridiculous lies about the first african-american president. in a way that sought to delegitimize him. look, as we look ahead to the election, black women voters are -- if they ever had anything to do with donald trump they're done with him. i mean, he's going to get no votes from black women. he got a few votes from black men last time around. i think he will get fewer. i don't know what that is about. it may be a certain sort of faux machismo that he tries to project and it may be all the bling that he so ostentatiously