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>> steve: and you can't figure that it's going to be fair. could wind up serving time and then there would be a prisoner swap of some sort. thank you very much. our president, joe biden has called the arrest totally illegal. former vice president mike pence has called on the biden administration to expel russian diplomats. ultimately though, it is just kind of hard to deal with russia while they -- because they are already running a war that we're steamed about. and it's not like they are listening to us about anything like this. >> pete: exactly. we also already made a trade that they think was a really good one, trading back a wmba player for viktor bout the merchant of death. plenty incentive to grab a innocent "wall street journal" reporter and another pawn on the board to trade for someone else. >> ainsley: we don't know who they would want traded in exchange for him. his family lives here in earthquake america. he loved livings there in russia and reporting on it for the

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