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>> before the debate we were talking about if his numbers go down after the debate is he probably going to kick himself for not going. >> absolutely. there is no doubt his absence on that stage has had an effect. a poll taken before the debate found that 68% of trump supporters or primary voters who have already made up their minds to support trump in the primary wanted him there on that debate stage. i also like to look at the betting markets as an indication of how people are feeling in real time. and immediately after the debate, you saw desantis spike up a bit and you saw trump and vivek ramaswamy fall. so, again, this is in real time, voters taking out their frustration on the former president for how they see it as taking for granted their vote by refusing to show up, to what is basically a courtesy that you are supposed to perform for voters. >> steve: right. when you look in the detail, mike pence increased his midwest support from 4 to 13. donald trump saw his midwest