Will be putting out yet another fake indictment of your a favorite president , me, at 5 00 p. M. Provided and they do this 2. 5 years ago . Why did they wait so long . They wanted to put it right in the middle of my campaign. Prosecutorial misconduct. A grand jury who will decide whether or not to indict trump over election interference, they met earlier today. Hes outside the d. C. Court house where they ran meeting. Can you give us your report . What did you see . Good afternoon. Obviously, that truth social post was made by the former president at 4 41. Being that there was going to be this 5 00 news. We have not yet yet. All day long about whether or not we could see indictments come. Security around this courthouse did pick up your noticeably the first thing we notice is when we came here, dana, it was no federal protective service but some patrol cars out in front of the courthouse still here behind me. The grand jury as you mentioned gay men met today. Slowly they trickled all afternoon out. We believe it appears they are gone for the day. We are really watching and waiting. But if you go back to when we first began to really watch closely, it was when that Target Letter on july the 6th went to trumps attorney. In that Target Letter there were about three areas that the source said that the president could possibly be charged on good one as deprivation of rights under color of law pertaining to civil rights charges of sorts. All along with a conspiracy to commit offense or defraud the u. S. And a third area of charges that could include Witness Tampering. We dont know if theres even going to be an indictment or whats in there. This is just what we know what is the nature of the Target Letter which as you know typically leads us to a possible indictment. We are really on high alert last thursday out here because we knew that trumps attorneys met with jack smith and his counsel and jack smiths office. Nothing came thursday afternoon probably over the weekend. Here we are on tuesday afternoon with the former president saying he expects a Press Conference that will make announcements of these indictment charges. We cant confirm that. Were just watching and waiting. Lets get to david at the Department Of Justice. We will talk to you and take it around the table here. Hi, david. We are waiting for some sense of news from the Department Of Justice. Nothing from special counsel jack smith was obviously attached to the Department Of Justice waiting to get that information. As a former president is correct and he is indicted, this would mark his third indictment. There could possibly be a fourth indictment. That is down in georgia. That is a State Charge Being run by a Fulton County prosecutor. She has gone on the record multiple times. In fact giving a Television Interview recently saying that her office is ready to go. That would be that is an investigation relating to the conversation that the former president had on the phone on tape with brad at the Georgia Secretary Of State shortly after the election saying that he needed him to find some 11,000 votes. We are looking to see what happens here with shaq smith to see if the former president is indeed indicted as he says. We are also looking to see what happens in georgia with the next few weeks and will. Come on the record to say that everything would be done what ever everything means by september 4th. Right now we watch and we wait. Clearly, clearly there is new is on both fronts. Thank you. It is interesting. President trump is so media adapt. It is interesting to watch. You could put out a little post or tweet or whatever it is. Whatever method hes using. Then media around to it. This does seem like it might be happening perhaps tonight. Needs front running it. We dont know anything. I dont know where jack smith is. He was supposed to come out at 5 00. I dont know where he is. I dont know. If you dont think this is political, look at this. Hunter accidentally admits his laptop as it is for the day after trump gets a notice hes going to be indicted. June 8th, the fbi document drops that bonnets are the 5 million bribe. The next day, june 9th, maralago indictment. July 31st, devon archer testifies that joe is on the phone with Hunter Business partners but one day later, august 1st, speech in january 6. This is all coordinated. I look at these charges. They said they are going to hit it with. One of these charges is conspiracy to make a false statement. It is a crime for a Government Official to make a false statement and they knew the statement was false. Everyone in the government laws. I dont know how you can charge that. Construction of an official proceeding. Remember that january 6 the situation. They delay the certification for a couple of hours. That means when code pink disrupts the hearing, you can get it with obstructing an official proceeding. When you have Witness Tampering. This says it is illegal to contact anybody before they testify before congress. You are saying the democrats never talks to any witness before they testified in front of a congressional hearing. Come on. These and other charges i dont know. Deprivation of rights. I dont know. That looks like a work charged. Conspiracy to defraud. Trump this title with biden. New york times poll out there they are both side. How are you trying to throw your opponent in prison and you still dont have a lead . Hows that possible . Joe biden is a 39 . Greatest economy in the world. If item is tied with donald trump statistically, he loses the election. Joe biden or any democrat has to be handled donald trump a republican by at least 23 Percentage Points nationally because of the electoral col college. He loses right now. Donald trump is currently winning this election if it was held today according to the New York Times. Much can happen is you are going to have impeachment. I believe you will have the inquiry in ball. Impeachment going into 20 20 for. Contrasted against trumps federal court cases in 2024. Both guys i can to be going haywire. You know, the American People the lawyers are going to make a lot of money. Had at the democrats take that New York Times poll today . We wet the bed. Is our practice. I think it is important. There are a bunch of other Poll Clarinets that have biden up now. He used to beat down on the real clear politics average. Now he is up to the New York Times poll is a very reputable poll. It had a lot of components to it that are quite startling for democrats like the gains that you can estimate amongst black voters, black men. And with latinos. The edge for joe biden was basically nailed. It was three points. This happens frequently. Talk about this going into the midterms. There was discussion for the democrats are going to lose latino voters and that is and what happened at all. You have to play every day like it is the most important day of your life. You cant take any constituency for granted. Your pro vacation. The one i am pro vacation. I would like one else also. A little bit about the indictment. Listening to what jesse said. I completely understand the fact that there are a lot of people that feel that way when you look at the fact that trumpets side with biden right now and he is on the middle of august we would expect. Thats what we are calling it. I dont know what else to say. There are some incredibly important facts that have come out about the january 6 case. Steve bannon is on tape talking before the election about how they are going to act as if trump wanted before he even knows whats going to happen coming up Peter Navarro who goes on to be bragging about this. He wrote a book about how steve bannon has orchestrated the whole thing. Its like a Football Team and that he is the quarterback. I think they were the green bay packers. Maybe hes from there. That is disturbing. Deprivation of rights is about nullifying peoples constitutional right to be able to vote and have their vote counted. This idea of minimizing jan january 6th down to code pink screaming about abortion rights or whatever and the atrium and what happened on january 6th is not going to fly with the majority of americans. The fbi deprive people of rights. When i covered up the laptop. The cia. Who finagled the laptop. You know what im talking about. Thats corruption before the election. That denies people their rights. Have in the New York Post story be taken over 24 hours and will happen on january 6 are so utterly incomparable, im actually shocked at you. You are not shocked. You are not shocked. We actually dont know if theres going to be a Press Conference. We dont know if theres gonna be indictment. Something is going on. Just like old times. Slow news and all of a sudden, trump tweets or truths. If we are not careful, they will reelect trump. Indictments and impeachments, they are the spanish. I know that you said what happened on january 6th is disturbing. But disturbing as an illegal. If it were, i would get the chair. I think for me, theres nothing that will never be more offensive, disturbing then the riots, you know, the nt five riots and the blm riots. It got nothing good i think thats why the indictments on trump and the impeachments, they feel like a political prosecution. A political persecution. Thats why it makes them strong credits can make it even more of a folk hero that he already has. I guess he says, i mean, that timing is always so convenient. You know, and its just a coincidence of course. It does raise one question. Why do all the coincidence only break in One Direction . Something good happens something bad happens to the democrats. Somebody saves them. That never happens to the republicans, right . And never breaks in the direction. It only goes in One Direction, in one way. We investigate and punish republicans, and you take it. The trip you still get punished and you will take it. Now, what politics is, as lawyers versus lawyers. This is what politics is now. Part of an event note you dont need posters anymore. You dont need votes. Just but the lawyers against the lawyers. Now you hope your team, republicans or democrats have the best values so they can go after the other guy. It feels like the republicans dont. It never feels like they have the best lawyers like they got them mike benson impeachment. That was a long time ago. That is bill barr and all that that is where they went. Thats why the republicans dont have any good lawyers. They are on the Supreme Court. That was a great day for all of us. And unborn children, jessica. You want it does keep the indictments even with the coincidences which are really interesting. I often believe that the government gets credit for being really good and competent in what they do. Usually it is just a coincidence. Those three right in a row is pretty telling. I also the other thing is, you dont have many people are neutral on trump or biden. Out in the New York Times, its 43 43. A small bit of independence who are persuadable. Make sure that the thing people care the most about which is their pocketbook and their being nickel and dime to death about all these little regulations and the taxes. They are feeling like they are suppressed economically. I dont believe that it is working around them. We are really talking about any sort of economic plan. And 10point plan. Into the ether. Thats why the media loves this. They keep trump in the news with the indictments and allows biden to be at the beach while his team touts on twitter and act like thats working for it if you look at the your head in the election, it is election interference. This is going to change the election. An election that we have never seen before. Theres talk about donald trump being pulled off the campaign trail. Hes going to have to be fighting one of these many indictments in court. In looks pretty fishy and smells when the president of the United States has the Department Of Justice that continues to indict president joe bidens top political opponent on these charges. Theres a big difference between a grand jury returning an indictment. It doesnt have to be unanimous and the prosecutors having to come back and prove these cases beyond reasonable doubt. The reason theyre so much skepticism about these indictments is because the Justice Department does not have a good track record when it comes to going after donald trump whether it was counsel, the russian collusion troops for years on and then when it comes to the American People looking at this and President Trump becoming more popular in the g. O. P. Primary. The majority think that the federal government is far too powerful. If you can get something to stick and you continue to run someone like trump through the ringer without actually having anything, people lose faith in their institutions. This does not do anything about the lack of trust in institutions. And the death of norms as well. The one we want to bring in former assistant attorney. I think that you can believe that january 6th was horrendous. You can also believe that this could what katie just pointed out. People losing faith in their institutions and feeling like this does seem political. What about the charges as jesse went through them, a few of them, how do you understand these charges that might come down . I am inclined to agree with jesse. I think these are more dicey charges. As a reason for that. This indictment if it comes down as it has been reported with the charges that jesse was alluding to, they are really making this a proxy for impeachment. Ithey werent able to disqualify him. No one certainly no one on the democratic side is happy with that result. A lot of other people are unhappy with it as well. It has fallen to the prosecutors to try to do with the political process didnt do. The problem is that when you are trying to strip political power, you are stripping a benefit. If an event is very different from a right. From a right when youre depriving people of their liberty or their property, you have to be much more exacting and the accused gets many more rights than you get in and impeachment process. It is just not a good fit. When i think they are really trying to do here is accomplished through the criminal law while they werent able to pull off with respect to impeachment. I think it is interesting that it is a deprivation of rights is the rubric that this may be brought under. It seems to me that smith is depriving speech and of fair trial rights. He is going to try to push this case to trial before the next election. He is doing that under circumstances where he is already brought another indictment and tried to get a judge who also schedule that for before the election. At a certain point, you have to ask in a due process sense, limit speech and supposed to prepare for trial . Jesse watters got a question for andy. They are trying to make fighting the election stick and make a criminal, does that make it harder for any politician to fight against what they consider a fraudulent election Going Forward . He just believed to be election was stolen. And he was trying to use everything in his power to push it as far as he possibly could all the way to the end. It just seems like thats politics. Isnt that just politics . Jesse, i would broaden it beyond that. I think that we go to a very bad place if we are now going to criminalize criminalize frivolous legal theories. When i was a prosecutor, if a frivolous legal theory was a crime, i couldve indicted five people a day. You are in this circumstance where they dont have evidence that would enable them to the charges speaking in connection with the violence of the capitol riot which i think if you had that kind of evidence you are in a different place. Since they dont, they are now in the position of these extravagant legal theories that if they are pushed to their logical limits will begin to imperil everybodys rights. Its not just a right to object to actual Election Fraud if there is actual Election Fraud. If youre going to make frivolous legal theories of crime thats going to be down to the defendants of is accused of a crime in america. I am curious as to what you think of the fact that during the january 6th commission we heard from all of these witnesses who said that trump did know that he had lost the election, that he was being told by everyone in his inner circle that that was the case and that any of his lawyers when actually having to face a judge and show up in court kind of ran away with her tail between their legs and with advance the kind of lives that they were promoting on social media and in interviews. Jessica, it is a really interesting aspect of what a criminal trial would be if it plays out this way. Because i think with the jury would be told is what they have to make a determination about is what trump really thought. I think there were a lot of people, liz cheney in the front of the line in the January 6th Committee who basically wanted to make this an objective person test. That is to say everybody from bill barr on who was the best informed people about fraud was telling trump that there was no Election Fraud. He was inclined to believe the people who seemingly were not as good sources that were telling him what he wanted to hear. But the jury is going to have to decide is when he takes the position that he didnt believe or he did believe that the election was stolen, is that an authentic belief on his part . Or is it fraud . I think its gonna come down to what they think he really thought. We might be closer to finding that out if he could stand by just a second. You have B