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but it doesn't matter, even on the day five memorial service in johannesburg and soweto which we expect president obama to go to, and other heads of state, that also potentially could be a logistical problem because under south african tradition, nobody can be invited to a funeral. everybody is welcome. so you are going to be seeing no tickets issued for the standing or seats in the stadium. anybody can arrive to come and pay their tribute to mandela at both the memorial and the funeral. so there is going to be i think the biggest challenge is going to be the sheer number of people who are going to be flocking to try and either be close to his casket, to his body, or who just want to be part of the proceedings. of course, they are not going to be just jostling for space with fellow south africans but also with the rest of the world. >> they certainly will be. thanks to both of you for your report. coming up, bill clinton,