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decision. >> how does president obama hand this will? >> president obama, i think they have to continue with charges. honestly, i don't think they're going to be able to come up with some kind of a deal. i think snowden is going to get permanent asylum status somewhere. he's going to live out his days outside the united states. he'll be something of a global celebrity. i don't think he's going to come back to the u.s. and be a homeland celebrity, if you will. and again, we don't know what the documents are. if he has what they believe he has, if it's stashed away somewhere, if foreign governments have not been able to penetrate what he has, we just hope they will never get access to that. it could be incredibly damaging. if it is what people think it is, i don't even want to know what would happen to the u.s. going down the line. >> it's all about leverage. the obama administration is going to say, what does he have, and how badly could it hurt us? >> that's why i opened the way i did. leverage, blackmail, whatever you want to call it. >> if he's got the goods to kill us abroad, to destroy