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officers to take someone down to arrest someone and why does it have to end in a death? when i reviewed it over and over again, this man is what we call in law enforcement an edp, an emotionally disturbed person with a history of mental illness. he clearly does fight back. he is resisting arrest. and when you have that sort of thing, if indeed he grabbed someone's gun, that is how that altercation was going to end. this is going to be found as a justifiable use of four. but i am questioning how this started. if you know this is skid row if you know these are people who are homeless and possibly mentally ill, why is your approach six police people police officers and why does it escalate rather than de-escalate. >> i will say harry, two of the police officers end up having to deal with another woman who grabbed a night stick and seemed to be threatening the officers. so then you have four officers. if you have somebody who is out of control, who's fighting back fights are chaotic, frenetic