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need it in the first place. you create new problems that you didn't anticipate and so here the two problems were the terrible reaction to the image of indiana across the country and also the unintented consequence and protection for gays and lesbians being strengthened in the state of indiana. these are two unintended consequences of the republicans pushing through a law we didn't need in the first place. >> okay. that's your opinion. russell, i want your opinion. first, i want to get this answer from you. under this law, would it be legal for an indiana bakery to refuse to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex couple for a same-sex wedding? >> this one does not speak to that at all. all it speaks to is that religious freedom is an issue that ought to be brought up in the courts so religious freedoms