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if you think this is also a problem going forward for the media, in general? >> i do. in fact in thinking back on this of all the foundations, and no question that the foundation -- but of all the foundations that media outlets should probably have figured out how to stay away from it would have in this one unless you believed that hillary clinton was going to leave the state department and then retire to an academic life. i mean anyone who didn't realize that they were talking about a potential president of the united states i have a 6-year-old grandson. i believe he knows hillary clinton is running for president. i'm not sure about the 4-year-old, but the 6-year-old definitely. >> right. >> and i don't know what's in their minds. i even think, you wonder to what extent stephanopoulos was trying to repair relations with the clintons because the book he wrote in 1999 "all too human," really put him on the outs with the clintons and not many people raised doubts about him covering hillary clinton in 2008. so i don't want to go into

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