favor of drafting a document directly targeting biden, only the nation's second catholic president. joining me now for more on this is a religion reporter with the washington post. she's done great work in looking into this. thank you for being here, michelle. biden's catholic faith is an important part of who he is. what do you think it means for him to have this kind of focus on his faith right now? >> i would love to know. i mean, he doesn't talk -- he shirks away from conflicts with the bishops. when he's asked about this, generally he won't comment or he'll say something that down plays the conflict, and he never says he disagrees outright with catholic teaching. he's in accustom to this conflict for some time. he also has mainstreamed for american catholics around the world who have his type of personally opposed to abortion, but don't feel that it's right to make the law exclusive on