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closure that that family will never receive, will forever be linked to this case and this acquittal. and i think that of anything that has not been discussed and not been explored, that perhaps is the biggest tragedy that we're looking at. that's not to discount the lives that were lost and the person that was injured, but it is to say there's an important larger conversation that's not being had around how we even got here. and it's a shame that i think that going forward, a lot of people are going to miss that point. >> charles, thank you. elie, thank you. appreciate it. i want to turn now to alvin owens, a community activist in kenosha, wisconsin. mr. owens, thank you so much for joining us this evening. i appreciate it. so you are a community activist and a business owner. you helped to organize protesters in the wake of the jacob blake shooting. what was your reaction to today's verdict, and then what are you hearing from others in kenosha tonight? >> well, first, i'm active in my community. i don't know if i carry the full title of activist, but i'm very active in my community, don.