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senator have got accustom to being the power they bring and the infamy that it brings, the criticism that it brings and protesters that it brings. it comes with that level of leverage that the two of them hold. i agree with you. i think the surprising thing about that bill was that chuck schumer could shut up about it. i think that's what caught everybody by surprise. how could this have happened under their nose? shocking. >> i do think that senator manchin's comments about 2024 are important. sort of in the context of this. even when it comes to looking for policy areas of agreement. what do you think about what he said when he sort of not really committing to biden? he's not really committing to democrats? is that problematic that he's in a different position obviously than a lot of democrats that he's staying in. >> put yourself in joe manchin.