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in school and offered this up. >> it was the american revolution that caused people to question slavery. no one had questioned it before we decided, as americans, that we are endowed by our creator with unalienable rights, and we are all created equal. you can't history that's being used to pursue an ideological agenda. >> back with me, van jones, david swerd lick, and scott jennings. van -- >> sorry, sorry. >> i had the same reaction. slavery didn't end technically until 1865. 1776 -- that's almost -- >> first of all, you reveal a lot when you're speaking about stuff you don't know anything about. he says, nobody questioned slavery until -- you know who questioned it? the enslaved people. >> the slaves. >> the enslaved people questioned it the whole time. and that's the thing. it's like you have a world view