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of the documents but the obstruction. they are trying to tie donald trump and his lawyer evan corcoran to the obstruction. that is 18 usc 1519 punishable by up to 20 years in prison. that is the big whammy here and why they are talking to all the staff who have seen the documents, heard things, seen staff carry the documents out and around to avoid the oversight of the federal government. that is why everyone is being called in. >> we have heard some of those staffers are represented by attorneys paid by the former president himself. does that present a conflict specifically in terms of how reliable their testimony could be? >> yes. it is not illegal. they can pay for the lawyers. but the feds will know that. they know that these witnesses may not be so forthcoming because their legal fees are being paid for by the trump organization. remember, this happened with cassidy hutchinson. at first her legal fees were being paid for by trump's