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surprised many. >> really unusual to see a special counsel make a public statement like this. >> many people might be enticed to in that role make sure everybody knows who they are, almost be drunk with the power of it and wanting to be out in the forefront and hey, look at me. the fact that he didn't seem to revel in it and wanted the indictment to speak for itself might buttress his credibility. >> thank you very much. >> despite all the efforts by the former president to tear him down. >> jack smith. what do you think his name used to be? i don't know. does anybody -- jack smith. sounds so innocent. he's deranged. >> if you were to think about on the one hand jack smith did not use the podium or a bully pulpit in any way. contrast that to the person that's one of the defendants in this case, somebody who has honed his skills in being able to use these platforms to act as a kind of marionette, to pull