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bureaucracy or had a major governmental leadership role. isn't that important to governing as president? >> absolutely. i would have to bring in people who are experienced. but important thing is your vision and the lens through which you view the world. policy is something that can be worked out in lugt of vision. if your vision is one of militarism abroad, then you're going to be preoccupied with wars and militaristic adventures. we've known biden's got a long history. i don't think he's actually seen a war that he hasn't supported. i think the invasion and occupation of iraq was a crime against humanity. how many precious hundred of thousands of iraqis were killed based on lie. biden was running interference in that regard. mass incarceration is a crime against humanity. i've stayed in contact with the rich humanity of my brothers and sisters who have been incarcerated, many have done things they shouldn't have done, many because they're innocent. there are sites of barbarity.