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donald trump is planning not to be there. was it a mistake and do you think the debate's going to matter? >> i think the debate matters and governor hutchison which is a great guy, some of the scholars think he'll be disqualified based on the 14th amendment. i'm not an attorney. one of them quite likely will be the presidential nominee and i think any of them would be better than joe biden. so if you're concerned about the future of our country, watch the debate and find your candidate and support that candidate. >> senator bill cassidy of louisiana. thank you very much for joining us today. very interesting conversation. >> thank you, kasey. >> with trump on the sidelines for the debate, will the other candidates attack him or will they turn on each other. david axelrod and larry hogan join me next. ♪ this just in ♪ ♪ got the keys to what you want and what you need ♪ ♪ something new something sweet ♪