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fatal legal blow or political adrenaline shot? donald trump's 14th amendment appeal is going to have very big consequences, both in the courtroom and of course on the campaign trail. here to talk about it all, former obama white house senior director naira huck and former republican congressman joe walsh. listen, you guys were hearing the last discussion. and we've obviously heard a lot about colorado. i would expect that if you're a democratic strategist in particular you don't want the assumption that you're winning only because trump's not on the ballot. you want to be able to say i beat you, trump, fair and square ag again. is this problematic politically for them to have all these removals? >> well, who's going to argue about the fair and square if he does indeed win the electoral college and biden wins the popular vote like he did last time, right? the idea is that democrats don't want this to get to the supreme