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confederacy, an insurrection -- you know, uprising against the government. so you don't actually have to have a criminal ruling according to the interpretation of this. you just have to meet the qualifications of how they define insurrection, and there are good arguments on both side. >> and the precedent being overturned here comes from 1867 from chief justice salmon chase who is saying, look, this is unworkable. you need to actually have some legal process, congress needs to pass legislation here because if you don't have that, if you are just using these very vague standards of what represents insurrection, then you have a problem where partisan secretaries of state, anyone can strip folks from the ballot in a way that could be incredibly chaotic. so i think we've really opened a can of worms. i agree with jonah. i think it will be 9-0. >> i just want to say one thing. i find it wonderful we are all citing, you know, legal theory from the 1800s, but this is insane. i mean that we are having to discuss the 14th amendment when