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motivated, they're campaign related. i think that's true not only with republican voters overall, even those not necessarily voting in the caucus for the former president. i see in swing states, that people get they can see through this, they can see the nonsense n. some regards, i heard your previous segment. if he's tied up, normally conventional wisdom would be that's tough for campaigning. everybody in america knows who joe biden is and know who donald trump is. this isn't a matter of introducing themselves. the more time and attention put on joe biden as opposed to donald trump is probably a good thing for those of us who want to see someone other than joe biden in the white house. >> all right. former governor scott walker, thank you so much. >> thank you. and our panel is here. what do you make of what he had to say there? >> big fan of scott walker's, i think. my issue is this. we've had these polling data, people who say they'll vote for donald trump if he's a convicted