recognize this, intervene, remediate, then we've got to give them the training to do that, the funding to do that. we've got to put it in the curriculum in a structured way so we're educating the students that this is not okay. a kid that's 13, 14, 15 years old. the brain is not done growing yet and the last part that grows is the ability to predict the consequences of your actions. these kids don't think they are killing somebody. they don't think they are destroying somebody's life. so that -- we need to not just punish them. we need to counsel them and educate them, but to do that we've got to train these teachers and give them the funding and the time and the curriculum to do it >> you actually went to carl's school. you sat in on a classroom. you were involved. >> yes, i was. >> did you feel the school took it seriously? >> i don't think the school took it seriously, and i'd like to also make a comment on the last day of carl's life he was -- it was an incident at school, and the school did not inform me, and to this day i don't know why