drilling off our coasts between now and the rest of the time they are in office if they get a second term. and $5 gasoline, i think is going to go in the face of them getting a second term because they haven't done anything about it in the meantime. >> what do you think it's going to take getting gasoline prices up to $5 a gallon for something to happen, and what could happen when the prices reach that high? americans are not going to be very eager to embrace that price. >> i think they will be frustrated and they will be angry. the fact that it's an election year, the american people could say, you know, the people in office haven't done their job. they haven't deliver affordable energy. i said to candidate obama in 2007, to him directly, if you don't provide more hydrocarbons in the period of 2009 to 2012, you will not like the gas price which you will be running against when you go up for re-election in 2012. >> john, you have been a big proponent of increasing hydrocarbon capacity.