of the attack and not knowing if there would be five other attacks, listen to what they said. my instinct, which is good and bad is to run to the scene of the -- i remember when there was first anthrax was found in new york a month later. it was at nbc. and the first thing i rushed up there. >> you rushed towards the anthrax? why would you do that, rudy? >> my staff used to then tease me and say oh, gee, we have a little more anthrax. why don't we rush there, why don't we rush here? why don't we rush there. >> but isn't it very, very important in the modern media age when everyone is looking for figureheads and leaders to emerge. >> i think so. >> i can remember. i was in a newsroom of the daily mirror in england which i was the editor of, and i remember in the chaos seeing you appearing. and it was comforting that somebody was taking charge of this. and the message going out was america will not be beaten by this. >> i believe that. that's my view. there are other ways to look at it. there are people who criticized me for rushing down there.