>> didn't we. >> and we were humbled. >> 16 million records later. >> amazing. >> this idea that you've got to look a certain look, that you've got to be a certain annal is ridiculous. the music business today spans -- you've got willow smith at 12, you've got susan boyle at 46. you've got groups in the middle sending millions and millions of records, and this show has to reflect that. it has to look -- it has to be like the music business essentially is. there are no rules. you can't put boundaries around it. you can't say if you're over 28 you can't have a hit. i mean, it's crazy. >> susan boyle changed the rules of the music industry almost single-handedly. >> no record company would have signed her. she wouldn't have gotten an appointment. it would have been somebody who keeps submitting tapes, you know, in the mail. she would never have got a deal. >> what do you say to people -- the other day the top 100 albums in america, number one susan boyle with her second album, two, jackie, 10-year-old girl