would move in and use violence. the big trouble with that is that the deputy foreign minister always seems to make a differentiation between the rebels, as he calls them, and the people of misurata. but clearly, many of the folks i met in misurata said that it is all the people who are doing this uprising. so therefore, they say, as you said, that this is clearly a fact that moammar gadhafi's army has lost the battle inside central misurata. they've been forced to withdraw from that area and are trying to make that retreat look as though it's a responsible withdrawal. >> reza, what do you make of libyan forces pulling out of misurata, if in fact they do this. it obviously remains to be seen whether or not they're going to do it. >> reporter: we can tell you the reaction of the rebel leaders. they actually laughed at this. they're extremely skeptical at this news, they're skeptical that it's true. they suspect it could be yet another ploy by the gadhafi regime and trap them in some sort of way. they do believe they're making significant progress in misurata.