muslims, half of whom or more are illiterate. so the west has really got a skewed idea of what's happening in that country, and across the region, sir. it's madness. >> michael, with all due deference to your belief in the region -- >> i'm not saying i have deep deference, 85 million muslims not going in the direction of a democracy they consider irreligious, perhaps even pagan rather than 1400 years of tradition. >> let's agree on something, fareed za fareed zakaria are enormously known in the region. nobody thinks th s thas that je advice is going to pop up. >> you brought up the tahrir