defense attorney, god bless them. >> you've handicapped them before we open our mouths, gregg. gregg: of course. so try to justify yourself, lis. >> myself? how about doug justify himself. [laughter] look at this. you've got a mom going into a courtroom, gregg, right? and she's told under, you know, by this judge you cut off your child's hair. do this right here, right now. that mother is afraid, the child is afraid. what kind of rehabilitation is that? what that means is the mother and the child are going to be so scared of that judge and the court system, they're going to be angry, and that's not a good thing to do to a 13-year-old. gregg: yeah. doug, the fault here, um, lies, what, with the judge? >> well, look, you know, the question is we're a long way from public floggings and, you know, the scarlet letter, hester print having to wear a big a on her chest, gregg. you know, i've seen cases where they turn around and put in some kind of condition. there was a case out in the