past. >> bill: they are afraid to do it. >> that's my point. >> bill: it's bad for business to do it. >> yeah. >> bill: i'm tired of seeing black children born into and dr. carson alluded to this, born into social slavery. i'm tired of it. you know? i mean, when you are born into a chaotic family with no money, depending on government assistance, and you live in the inner city, and all you know from the time you can even look up your head is just mass chaos. >> yeah. >> bill: what chance do you have in a capitalistic competitive society. i'm tired of it and i want it addressed. what do you say mary katharine? >> i think that you and don lemon actually sort of had a break through moment here where you know you don't have to agree on everything but you can have a discussion about this here is the thing about the other side is all they want to say is either you are a racist or is he a turn coat or some kind of traitor. >> bill: i have never met