around and seen that they've got friends relatives colleagues who are gay. i just think the country has changed. and that change is reflected in the political process and there you got andrew cuomo as good a weather vein for the political process as anybody, turning on a dime and saying, okay. now i will go to indiana. this worked. >> but what about those who say religious beliefs need to be protected? is it your sense that they are? >> how will it weigh out in 2016? >> of course religious beliefs need to be protected. i don't think anybody was really debating that. when this act passed a lot of colleges and universities used to go out of their way frankly to make it tough for groups that women could have a group or farm workers, people interested in agriculture could have a group. but they were very tough in giving equal access to campus