education and whatever he normally wants more government. but he's right that religion did better here because government threat alone. an economist at chapman university studies religion and explained this to me. explain it to the audience. >> well religion is a market phenomenon like other once, and when you make the government the arbiter the funder of religion, it operates like a typical lazy monopoly and incentives are lost, the clergy are focused on pleasing the politicians rather than the people. >> the church of england and they have no competition, they want to suck up to the king. >> at best a combination of the american post office and public school. john: what do you mean the u.s. was the first religious free market? >> let every religion compete freely and enter freely.