she didn't disclose and she didn't recuse. if you have a conflict of interest you know this from the law. in the private sector if you have a conflict of interest you have to expose it. she never spoke up she never said anything. so let's say everything was on the up and up. she had no business voting on that deal or being involved in that committee in any way, shape or form. >> what's interesting is the denial from the family spokesman or campaign spokesman. there's no evidence of it. there's no evidence of it. i mean -- like you get caught -- like somebody accuses you of doing something you didn't do and you say i didn't do it. you don't say there is no evidence of that right? >> there's no controlling legal authority as al gore once said. that's the clinton's mantra. there's no evidence. you can't prove it. >> it kind of jumped out at me as -- the nondenial denial. the real denial is going to come next when robert zimmerman joins me. he's an advocate for the clintons. mark good to see you. and a true believer. and i'm going to ask him whether