>> -- insolvency let's throw another big entitlement in the mix -- >> go after the poor. don't mention the seniors -- >> let's throw obamacare in there for good measure, why not. >> here's where we are. when president obama handed the reins to president obama, food stamp usage was around $40 billion. now it peaked at around $80 billion. it's backed off to about $75 billion. but i thought things were so much better. when do we get back to the $40 billion number? >> i think as the economy improves you'll get back to it. the point here is that the confusion here is the federal government uses every opportunity to sell itself. you say, well you come up on obamacare and over here if you check this box, you get free food. over here if you check this box, your taxes go down. if you check this box, somebody else pays for it. it's the problem of selling it. that's what's wrong. >> well they're selling it very very well. we have to leave it there, guys i'm sorry. from regulation nation to