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so if you haven't started, get started, because if you're up-to-date with your vaccinations, we can put the pandemic behind us. arthel: and you call it a flash flood, not a wave. we're talking about omicron, but it's more transmissable, as you well know, but causes less severe illness. is so should people be casual about catching covid now with the attitude that it's not so bad and they'll have natural a immunity in. >> it's never a good thing to get an infection. that doesn't mean you have to seal yourself with off and stop everything, but if you can avoid it, you should. and especially if you're older, if you have a health condition that makes you more vulnerable like an organ transplant. and if you haven't been vaccinated, it can be much more severe. arthel: don't gamble. get vaccinated. >> right. arthel: all right. i have. i've gotten three so far. i'm wondering am a i going to have to get a fourth, but we'll have you back to talk about that. i have to go right now; i'm up against a hard clock. nice to see you with, former cdc