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while the -- will: many ups and downs, so in order to understand complicated relationship, if you'll excuse us for one moment, kayleigh, we're going to go off the wall. pete: we're going to give it a shot. and i think a lot of it is the tension between fist bump, not fist bump, are we going there for oil, are we not going there for oil, that confusion indicative of the relationship, the confusion we've had more quite some time. you can start with u.s. recognition of saudi arabia. of course, so much happened before that. it was the house of saud and others who fought for independence from the ottoman empire. lawrence of arabia went there famous wily during world war i. they win their independence from the united states and something big happens after 1931 that changes the whole game. will: it's fascinating how much is happening in the world at the same time.