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going to be the whole story. gillian: we know that that doesn't cut the mustard with our experiences the last year in ukraine. >> this is clear, this is what is going to happen and this is what we're going to do and i think we have pretty good alliances set up there, when the prime minister was here yesterday with the president with japan, but we have to make it clear, if they invade, are we going to fight or not. this is a national decision, it's not a presidential decision. this is a decision that the american people have to make. gillian: to that point, this time a year ago, the world, including the united states sat idly by wondering if putin would dare to invade ukraine, as he built up hundreds of thousands of troops along the border for six months. it's hard not to draw a comparison with what we're seeing the chinese do, vis-a-vis taiwan. >> you're exactly right and that's what i mean desensitizing and all of these forces, ukraine as an example, when the russians were building up resources, and people were