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questions. we're not getting answers. transparency and openness is what is required here. we have adversaries to guard against. this administration does not seem to be engaged and concerned about all of those issues. >> martha: there was a lot of focus on the chinese programs that were underway in a lot of universities across this country. and some of them were pushed to be disbanded under the trump administration. there was push back from china and the biden administration stopped that investigation. university of pennsylvania backed off of investigating these chinese organizations on campuses. after that, amy gutman was given this position after she left the university. those are background. we'll see where this goes. betsy, thank you. always good to see you. >> thanks, martha. >> martha: this news is breaking today on "the story." the husband of ana walshe now is a suspect in her murder. we have just learned when he